Discussion on the current situation in Iran

[Dariush]

Thank you all so much for your support and kind words.

I was finally able to reconnect to the internet again and read your messages.

Many of the things you are saying are true, but I want to explain something important from my perspective and from many people here.

We do not see ourselves as Muslims. Here, you are considered Muslim by default just because you are born here, not by choice.

We are not Arab; we are Iranian, with our own history and identity. Many people believe that Islam was forced on this country through war centuries ago.

If you have seen videos of Iranians around the world during previous protests, you probably noticed something important: there was almost no violence. In many countries, Iranians even gave flowers to police as a sign of respect for protecting them. That was a very meaningful moment for us inside Iran.

We want change, but we are not people who want chaos or violence. Most of us just want a normal life, with freedom and dignity.

Tonight, state TV said something shocking. They claimed that tomorrow Iran's deadline ends and Trump may target infrastructure like power facilities. Then they told people to gather around power plants so they would not be attacked.

It sounds unbelievable, but this is the kind of messaging people are receiving.

 

[uncledude]

let's hope that the Iranian regime realizes that the only way out of this war is to agree to the terms of the cease fire. it will take decades to rebuild Iran.
stay safe my friend @Dariush

 

[EMS]

Oh I know quite a lot about the history of the middle east...for example the black rock was moved to it's current position from where it originally was at that was more west than most people know or what to acknowledge.

Anyway, I hope things improve, I'm not so sure after seeing the demands of the Iranian regime, in exchange to reopen the suez, which is illegal the Suez doesn't belong to the Iranian regime. If that idiot agrees to their demands......it shows that the Iranian regime has more power over the US than meets the eye.

it also means you will be left with a cleric regime, that is just as bad as the last one. So, nothing will change in the long run, which is what I was worried about in the first place.

When the western forces left Afghanistan, it was left in the hands of terrorists and hardcore clerics...something that most of the population didn't want. However, at least it is being run but people from Afghanistan ish lol

 

[deadlywill]

It's not lazy.....it's true, they do it with underlying issues....1. Oil 2. minerals 3. heroin (mainly afghanistan) - however, the US made deals with the war lords, they gave them information and they could continue their drug and gun movements. 4. To get more power in the middle east.

Actually it's not true. Not true at all. Again America doesn't steal oil - they are the biggest oil producer in the world. For an example - America has the worlds largest supply of Apples - more than they need - more than they can ever use. Let's start a war with England to steal all their apples because???? Just an old accusation started way back in the late 80's got stronger in the late 90's again. Again I think it's a lazy argument with no evidence to back it up.

Minerals not really a thing either. The US have recently been offered a large rare earth minerals deal by Ukraine in exchange for military weaponry support in their war with Russia. Accepted by Trump - and as he said "we should get something back for all the money were spending there"
Stealing it ? No. If they wanted to steal rare earth minerals badly enough they would have invaded Australia long ago.

Heroin? Not even going there mate lol.

Pakistan has nukes, North Korea have nukes.....what is the difference because I don't see one.

Although I don't rate either Pakistan or North Korea highly, their sole single purpose for existence is not to bring death and destruction to other countries. Pakistan has nuclear weapons as a deterrent to India who also has nuclear weapons. India has had them since early 70's and Pakistan since mid nineties. Right minded people know that to use them is to die themselves. That is the whole point of having them. That is what is referred to as the "nuclear deterrent"
Islamic leadership of Iran are not in the same boat. They want them purely for the destruction of Israel and America period. Again - it can't be allowed to happen. If you check a bit harder you'll see envoys that were talking to them before the war that knew they were making them. They know how much enriched uranium they have and their ability to use it. There are literally thousands of operatives working CIA and Mossad that do this as their job every day. I said "I believe" because i'm not one of them.

North Korea is an estranged from the world closed dictatorship that believes they are still at war with the US. The rhetoric has died down somewhat since Trump visited and told them "we've moved on long ago".

 

[deadlywill]

1. your belief? So, firstly we need to see PROOF that they are building nukes - which we don't have.

3. they haven't been bombing their "friends or allies", they have been targeting countries that are supporting the US by having their military there....if they were true friends and allies they wouldn't entertain the idea.

Talking of proof, remember the second trip to Iraq, all over WMD's, which were never found to be the case and yet the British government followed the bs information passed on to them

Unless you become a high ranking official in Government - you will never have the "proof" you are looking for. That kind of information is kept private for good reasons.
They have been bombing civilian areas, and infrastructure not just military bases in those other countries. So that argument falls apart also.

The Iraq war was a different government in a different time so cant compare the two in any way. Bush and co. were pure shit though i'll grant you that. I'm quite certain the British government followed US into Iraq for reasons other than WMD. Remember Bush's siren call " You're either with us or against us" Brits went "with us" as did Australia.

 

[deadlywill]

Thank you all so much for your support and kind words.

I was finally able to reconnect to the internet again and read your messages.

Many of the things you are saying are true, but I want to explain something important from my perspective and from many people here.

We do not see ourselves as Muslims. Here, you are considered Muslim by default just because you are born here, not by choice.

We are not Arab; we are Iranian, with our own history and identity. Many people believe that Islam was forced on this country through war centuries ago.

If you have seen videos of Iranians around the world during previous protests, you probably noticed something important: there was almost no violence. In many countries, Iranians even gave flowers to police as a sign of respect for protecting them. That was a very meaningful moment for us inside Iran.

We want change, but we are not people who want chaos or violence. Most of us just want a normal life, with freedom and dignity.

Tonight, state TV said something shocking. They claimed that tomorrow Iran's deadline ends and Trump may target infrastructure like power facilities. Then they told people to gather around power plants so they would not be attacked.

It sounds unbelievable, but this is the kind of messaging people are receiving.

Good luck mate. Stay strong.

 

[EMS]

Unless you become a high ranking official in Government - you will never have the "proof" you are looking for. That kind of information is kept private for good reasons.
They have been bombing civilian areas, and infrastructure not just military bases in those other countries. So that argument falls apart also.

The Iraq war was a different government in a different time so cant compare the two in any way. Bush and co. were pure shit though i'll grant you that. I'm quite certain the British government followed US into Iraq for reasons other than WMD. Remember Bush's siren call " You're either with us or against us" Brits went "with us" as did Australia.

Yes there has been indiscriminate bombing from Iran but so have the US, UK, and everyone else that has been involved in a war since before WWI

There is NO proof, never mind that, I'm not a government official with the right clearance.....there was no proof of WMDs in Iraq.

Yes we can compare Iraq and Iran....both their leaders have absolute power over the country and the civilians that lived in the respective countries. They have both been run by ruthless Islamic leaders.

Trump like Bush is a war monger.....

 

[EMS]

America doesn't steal oil? you're having a laugh aren't you?

Every time the US has been in the middle east they have always have oil in the agreement. It's stealing, doesn't matter how it's sugar coated for payment to protect them.

Yes, the US did deals with the warlords and not just in recent years.....you can go back to Vietnam and the cocaine.

The US have done deals with terrorists and supplied them with weapons, training etc etc and instead of taking them back off them when the conflicts had finished, the terrorists used those weapons and training to attack more than just the US.

The US is always craving more power in the middle east....this has been going on for a lot of years. Before Afghanistan, Iraq....you can go back even further the first conflict in Afghanistan, nope you can go back further than that, how about Bahrein or Aden? Probably go back even further.

Next you'll be telling me that the France didn't help the Americans during the war of independence?

 

[deadlywill]

We disagree a bit on those points Droid.
They were in Iraq for bloody years and the oil is still owned and run by Iraq who sell mostly to China and India. American and the British oil companies were welcomed there back in the 1920's. America has given billions to modernize Iraqs oil industry after the war. Stealing oil ? No.

During war the attacking side will always look for allies in the country they are invading. Not everyone is happy within most of the time. They didn't invade Vietnam for cocaine that's for sure. Again you could go back to the start of time regarding wars but they mean little when comparing them to current times. What happened in the sixties is not relevant to 2026.

The US and Bahrain have been allies longer than I've been alive. Don't personally know of any conflict between the two - in fact they are close friends. Again the US is not stealing Bahrain's oil period. Nor Kuwait's. Nor Saudi Arabia's. Nor Brunei's. Nor Norway's. Nor Australia's.

No - I wont be telling you that France didn't help Americans during the war of independence. You got that one right bud ha ha...

 

[deadlywill]

run by ruthless Islamic leaders.

There's your and the rest of the worlds problem explained right there...

 

[EMS]

There's your and the rest of the worlds problem explained right there...

wait so Iran hasn't been led by Islamic leaders that have been ruthless? Afghanistan is now led by ruthless Islamic leaders thanks to pulling out and leaving a vacuum behind. Iraq, I'm sure Saddam Hussein was a ruthless Islamic leader. Then there are other countries in the middle east that still hang, behead and stone people.....but they aren't Islamic leaders are they? I think stoning, beheading, hanging....etc etc etc is barbaric but it doesn't mean the west should get involved.

You can say ah well it's because of terrorism, some of that is funded by the CIA....of course you will probably say that's bs too

I don't have a problem.....I'd rather the western civilisations stayed out of it, western ideology has never worked in the middle east and it never will do, whilst the clerics (islamic leaders) have control of the laws etc at the moment.

And when the west do go into these countries......we end up with immigrants forever.

Can't just get in a dinghy and row across the English Channel, after all those SAFE countries have allowed them to travel through them to the UK where they stay because success governments have been too pathetic to stop it. Most of them aren't even war refugees, they are economic migrants.

The British get blamed every time one of their dinghies sink and the people drown......not many though, have a look at how many of them die crossing from morocco to spain, it's a damn sight more and you never hear about it.

Fuel for the vehicles over in the US is definitely lower than in the UK....since Trump administration/Israeli act of war on Iran, we have all been suffering over here with petrol prices through the roof and we are paying for it. Yes, the British government have stopped north sea oil pumping and that does cause a bit of an increase when we have to buy it from abroad but not like this and why because neither the US nor Israel prepared for attacks on cargo vessels going through the Straits and then expect British forces to sort it out when the conflict had nothing to do with us in the first place.

 

[EMS]

However, this is about how it's affecting the general population in Iran and whether they are safe and whether they get more freedoms etc that wasn't given to them whilst Muslim Clerics have been in charge and it's about how it's affecting people outside of Iran because of the actions of US and Israeli governments