Our first dose was Moderna, today wife and I got Pfizer as our second dose.
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We get our second ones this Sunday, they'll both have been Pfizer which is good since we have the Delta Variant here.
(Politicians like to minimize it because they want to open everything up)
*Looks below - all we got was a sore shoulder too for a couple days, hopefully the second is the same.
(Politicians like to minimize it because they want to open everything up)
*Looks below - all we got was a sore shoulder too for a couple days, hopefully the second is the same.
Wife and I have had both shots (Mederna).
No issues here with the shots except a sore arm.
No issues here with the shots except a sore arm.
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Got my second shot a couple weeks ago, both Moderna. Some side effects on the first one and major side effects on the second one. All good now and glad I did it!
So far, it seems Pfizer and Moderna are the best choices - if you have a choice, that is.
Astra-Zeneca and Johnson&Johnson have been linked to more side effects and their efficacy seems a little lower.
But in the long run, none is guaranteed safe, as approval was hastened without studying long term effects.
In this respect, Pfizer and Moderna might be the riskiest, as they use new DNA technology.
Astra-Zeneca and Johnson&Johnson have been linked to more side effects and their efficacy seems a little lower.
But in the long run, none is guaranteed safe, as approval was hastened without studying long term effects.
In this respect, Pfizer and Moderna might be the riskiest, as they use new DNA technology.
We both had our 2nd about 6 weeks ago, all Moderna. Neither of us had any side effects at all. We still wear our masks whenever we go anywhere since there will always be more and more contagious variants out there. I'm pretty much resigned to wearing a mask off my property for the rest of my life. I'll probably ask them to bury me with a mask on so I don't catch any dead people's variants. 
Slightly sore arm today, a little achy and mild headache, all very minor to the point where it hard to tell if it's the second dose or just another day of senior living...
We both got our second yesterday, my arm is rather annoying but, will pass. The old lady can barely even tell she got hers, almost NOTHIN', that the opposite, her first one bothered her, this one was a breeze. Well it's over and (both Pfizer) done! ..................................................................................................................................
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I got J&J months ago. I was reluctant to get Moderna or Pfizer because mRNA wasn't something I was comfortable with, and J&J being a more traditional shot was more comforting. That being said, the side effects were horrible, I had a terrible headache, fever, and chills the day after I got the shot. The day after that I felt better, but damn it was something I didn't enjoy.
Going to get my first shot next month. Moderna. I am looking forward to it even if I had preferred Pfizer.
Just wanted to mention that the mRNA vaccines are based on mRNA not DNA. That causes so much confusion and makes people worry way more. Your body has DNA which it reads essentially all the time using specific enzymes. Those then while reading produce the "opposit" pairs.. as a single strain(DNA is a double helix, two strains joined together). This single strain is called mRNA and just swims in the cell until its opposing pairs are chemically attracted to it, forming a protein. This happens billions of times in your body all the time. This is also why we can be very certain that mRNA causes no damage.. since its read very quickly(chemical based attraction) and afterwards.. becomes that protein and is gone out of the system very fast.
Here a picture to illustrate this:
Important to note is that RNA can never turn into DNA nor can it manipulate DNA in any way. Chemically speaking it ceases to exist very fast and probably was only in your body for a few seconds until the protein was there. Those Uracil, Cytosine etc pieces swim in your cells everywhere.. and it "builds" or "synthesizes" the protein based on chemical attraction. So the RNA attracts these pieces naturally. Kinda like magnets.
The side effects of course stem from the fact that those proteins are seen as foreign bodies and cause an immune response, which is always stressful for a body and can cause side effects. Just wanted to clarify
Hope my text was interesting for some people or helped them understand it a bit better!
Just wanted to mention that the mRNA vaccines are based on mRNA not DNA. That causes so much confusion and makes people worry way more. Your body has DNA which it reads essentially all the time using specific enzymes. Those then while reading produce the "opposit" pairs.. as a single strain(DNA is a double helix, two strains joined together). This single strain is called mRNA and just swims in the cell until its opposing pairs are chemically attracted to it, forming a protein. This happens billions of times in your body all the time. This is also why we can be very certain that mRNA causes no damage.. since its read very quickly(chemical based attraction) and afterwards.. becomes that protein and is gone out of the system very fast.
Here a picture to illustrate this:
Important to note is that RNA can never turn into DNA nor can it manipulate DNA in any way. Chemically speaking it ceases to exist very fast and probably was only in your body for a few seconds until the protein was there. Those Uracil, Cytosine etc pieces swim in your cells everywhere.. and it "builds" or "synthesizes" the protein based on chemical attraction. So the RNA attracts these pieces naturally. Kinda like magnets.
The side effects of course stem from the fact that those proteins are seen as foreign bodies and cause an immune response, which is always stressful for a body and can cause side effects. Just wanted to clarify
Hope my text was interesting for some people or helped them understand it a bit better!
From what I understand, Pfizer and Moderna are pretty much interchangeable. It's like choosing between a Mercedes and a BMW...
Because I'm over 60 and live in Australia I can only get that crap which is killing people through blood clots of the brain. I'm not so keen and live in a low risk area, low enough risks to allow me a while to think about my options.
I really don't think I have options, once past 60 you're obviously considered of little worth to anyone in Aus and get hit with the Astrazeneca.
They won't now give it to anyone under 60 because of the deaths (several in Australia). SO older people have a higher resistance to this untested crap????
Pig SH!T!
We just don't matter, no one cares if all of the over 60s drop dead.
I've been through plenty of experimental medications suffering from chronic migraines for over 50 years on a daily basis. The BS associated with getting any medication even to trial is unbelievable in Aus but they release this stuff in minimal time, no major testing and "go get your shots, oh, it's perfectly safe"
Is it?
I'm not an anti vaxxer or whatever they call them, I have no problem with being vaccinated but I don't want to drop dead in the process and until there is some sort of guarantee, or I can request the Pfizer which isn't killing older people in Aus...........
I really don't think I have options, once past 60 you're obviously considered of little worth to anyone in Aus and get hit with the Astrazeneca.
They won't now give it to anyone under 60 because of the deaths (several in Australia). SO older people have a higher resistance to this untested crap????
Pig SH!T!
We just don't matter, no one cares if all of the over 60s drop dead.
I've been through plenty of experimental medications suffering from chronic migraines for over 50 years on a daily basis. The BS associated with getting any medication even to trial is unbelievable in Aus but they release this stuff in minimal time, no major testing and "go get your shots, oh, it's perfectly safe"
Is it?
I'm not an anti vaxxer or whatever they call them, I have no problem with being vaccinated but I don't want to drop dead in the process and until there is some sort of guarantee, or I can request the Pfizer which isn't killing older people in Aus...........
Hey G13,
What is THAT CRAP that is killing people?
How about giving some links to back up your facts?
Your comment reads like you have been reading facebook.
I am well over 60 and had both mederna shot (wife also) and not bad effect except a sore arm.
Your opinion is appreciated as it is YOURS and I respect that.
What is THAT CRAP that is killing people?
How about giving some links to back up your facts?
Your comment reads like you have been reading facebook.
I am well over 60 and had both mederna shot (wife also) and not bad effect except a sore arm.
Your opinion is appreciated as it is YOURS and I respect that.
Astrazeneca has killed a few people in Australia. It's the one causing blood clots of the brain and now it will only be given to those over 60.
What is "facebook"?
Yes, I'm over 60 too, just because I stated I'd rather hold out and see if I could get a different vaccine (because I've formerly had a pulmonary embolism-blood clot in the lungs) DOES NOT make me a troll.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-06/tga-blood-clots-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-hospital/100121336*WE HAVE HAD BOTH SHOTS*
Yes, it has killed a couple in Canada too, in theory. There have been about 2.5 million Astrazeneca doses administered in Canada. There have been about 30 cases of bloodclots. 2 deaths.
To start with, this is a ridiculously tiny percentage of issues, but there's more.
Bloodclots occur on a regular basis quite naturally in the population all the time. Oddly, the percentage of population who would naturally get blood clots is actually higher in the non vaccinated crowd. And this holds true right across the board, in both Canada and the US. As to what exactly it means, I haven't a clue. But there does seem to be an unwarranted mass hysteria concerning the AZ vaccine. Bottom line is quite simple: AZ is a safe vaccine. It could safe your life. You are more likely to die from the virus than from any side effects from AZ.
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https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/getting-a-covid-jab-is-safer-than-taking-aspirin?fbclid=IwAR3U1oGxuQ9AF4F0tn5nAfrh2_LQnkDuXqUN2pZoIdv4Z9k1iHsM0TOUGA0Getting a COVID jab is safer than taking aspirin
The risk of rare side effects from COVID-19 vaccines like AstraZeneca are greatly exaggerated as they are far safer than many medicines people are taking every day
By Professor Nathan Grills, University of Melbourne
For the family of the woman who recently died from a very rare blood clot after her AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccination, it’s no comfort that ‘only’ two people have died despite nearly four million doses of AstraZeneca in Australia.
But this one-in-two-million risk should reassure everyone else, including the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI). After all, we are four times more likely to get struck by lightning in 2021.
I have also lost a friend due to AstraZeneca– not because he had the vaccination, but because he didn’t.
He was 70 years old and listened to scaremongers and decided against vaccination, only to die from COVID-19 in India.
Ironically, he was taking aspirin to prevent another heart attack, a medication which poses a significantly higher risk than AstraZeneca.
Around 11 per cent of older Australians take daily aspirin to help prevent stroke and heart attack, but statistically, aspirin is two hundred times more dangerous than AstraZeneca – resulting in around one death per 10,000 people.
So why are so many of us unduly worried about this vaccine given that the severe side effects are exceedingly rare?
One might even question ATAGI’s recent decision to only recommend AstraZeneca for those aged 60 and over.
Perhaps it’s because the media – and anti-vaxxers – are very good at making rare side effects seem very common by focusing all the attention on those effects. This trick starts with a fact – like AstraZeneca can cause blood clots – from which risks are extrapolated and exaggerated, scaring vulnerable people.
The fact is that all vaccines can cause very serious adverse events like anaphylaxis, cellulitis and even death. The obvious danger of writing this last sentence is actually the point of this article – someone claims, out of context, that public health physicians warn vaccines cause serious conditions and death.
But dangerous adverse events can result from just about any pharmaceutical or medical intervention.
Take aspirin.
If I list the known adverse events (and sneakily don’t mention their frequency) we are left with a frightening picture including pancreatitis, hematemesis, papillary necrosis, renal failure, aplastic anemia, thrombocytopenia, disseminated intravascular coagulation, Steven-Johnson syndrome, erythema nodosum, hepatitis, Reye’s syndrome, hepatic insufficiency, metabolic acidosis, , hypoglycemia, hyperglycemia, cerebral edema, coma, intracranial hemorrhage, seizures, hearing loss, rhabdomyolysis, pulmonary edema, asthma and... the list goes on.
But before you stop your aspirin (and the Medical Board deregisters me) you need to know that the incidence of these side effects is exceedingly small. I just handpicked rare, catastrophic and dramatic adverse events.
The fact is that all vaccines can cause very serious adverse events like anaphylaxis, cellulitis and even death. The obvious danger of writing this last sentence is actually the point of this article – someone claims, out of context, that public health physicians warn vaccines cause serious conditions and death.
But dangerous adverse events can result from just about any pharmaceutical or medical intervention.
Don't be that person
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Take aspirin.
If I list the known adverse events (and sneakily don’t mention their frequency) we are left with a frightening picture including pancreatitis, hematemesis, papillary necrosis, renal failure, aplastic anemia, thrombocytopenia, disseminated intravascular coagulation, Steven-Johnson syndrome, erythema nodosum, hepatitis, Reye’s syndrome, hepatic insufficiency, metabolic acidosis, , hypoglycemia, hyperglycemia, cerebral edema, coma, intracranial hemorrhage, seizures, hearing loss, rhabdomyolysis, pulmonary edema, asthma and... the list goes on.
But before you stop your aspirin (and the Medical Board deregisters me) you need to know that the incidence of these side effects is exceedingly small. I just handpicked rare, catastrophic and dramatic adverse events.
But, millions of Australians (including many who are currently refusing vaccinations) continue to take aspirin because the benefits of aspirin (or any appropriate medication) outweigh the risks, which are rare.
And likewise many women draw the same conclusion about taking the contraceptive pill which can cause clots in five to 12 women in every 10,000.
Of course, I’m not claiming that taking aspirin is the same as getting vaccinated. There are important differences. But the principle of weighing up the benefits against the risks applies equally.
Let’s weigh up AstraZeneca.
Nearly all the world’s immunologists, virologists, medical professionals and public health experts agree that COVID-19 vaccines, including Astra Zeneca, have minimal risk to recommended subgroups and significant benefit.
But vaccine opponents might argue that while aspirin is tried and tested, COVID-19 vaccines are new and we don’t know what the longer-term affects may be, in say, 20 years. Indeed, not until 2041 can we be certain that a vaccine doesn’t cause [add any disease name here].
But I’m glad we didn’t wait for 20 years of data before using vaccines to eradicate smallpox and control the devastating polio virus.
Besides, even though COVID-19 vaccines are new we already know a lot.
AstraZeneca and Pfizer use vaccine technology that’s been carefully developed over decades of research. They rely on stimulating the immune system – similar to the other 18 jabs that the average 18 year-old has already received.
Furthermore, we already have large amounts of data on the current COVID-19 vaccines – worldwide, we recently passed the two-billion dose milestone. Severe adverse events, like blood clots, are being very closely monitored and have mostly been minor or exceedingly rare.
However, conspiracy theorists claim governments are hiding the truth about these vaccines and their adverse effects.
But this would, in effect, require nearly all the world’s 193 governments of all persuasions (fascist, communist, democratic, theocratic and monarchical) to conspire together – along with vaccine companies and the mainstream free media – to corrupt regulatory frameworks, hide data from independent monitoring agencies and manipulate trial data.
Establishing and maintaining such a conspiracy is realistically beyond the realm of possibility.
So why give credence to the few fringe health practitioners who post on YouTube about very rare adverse events, while also stoking other ill-founded fears of conspiracy? This misinformation kills.
We regularly trust our doctor’s advice and take a host of medications and vaccines that come with serious, but exceedingly rare, side effects.
Perhaps we should also trust the overwhelming majority of medical experts who advise us to take this safe vaccine? I just wish my friend had.
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We still have both
Pfizer
shots each - not Walmart Specials
"Completed both Pfizer and would have waited for a Match!"
Pfizer
shots each - not Walmart Specials
"Completed both Pfizer and would have waited for a Match!"
Doesn't anyone here have Sinovac where you live? Seems to be the most benign vaccine with less harmful and less frequent side effects. 3 people in my household took the 2 Sinovac doses already and they had no side effects at all.
The downside being that Sinovac is also the least effective in actually preventing symptoms if you do get infected.
The downside being that Sinovac is also the least effective in actually preventing symptoms if you do get infected.
Of course that kinda defeats the purpose. It's starting to look like Sinovac is not a very good vaccine at all, as many are reporting still catching the covid despite the Sinovac jab. Of course that could be a variant that Sinovac was not designed for. Locally, as a result of our mass vaccination program, society is reopening, cautiously. I'm assuming that there'll be a 'delta+' booster coming soon.
We are doing good here, as far as vax goes.
My wife was a lunch lady at our local school.
I am happy that we both have had the shots (mederna)
I have lung and heart issues so I still play it safe.
I hope and pray that we are all OK and live to see another day.
Nice topic mate, I knew that this would be controversial but all good as long as we respect each other.
By the way RUDENESS and DISRESPECT will not be tolerated.
My wife was a lunch lady at our local school.
I am happy that we both have had the shots (mederna)
I have lung and heart issues so I still play it safe.
I hope and pray that we are all OK and live to see another day.
Nice topic mate, I knew that this would be controversial but all good as long as we respect each other.
By the way RUDENESS and DISRESPECT will not be tolerated.
If you all cannot play nice with each other, I will close, lock and/or delete this entire thread. I have deleted some posts and edited others. I have allowed you all to argue as long as it stayed civil, BUT when civility goes out the window, the discussion goes in the trash. Consider this the only time I will comment on it. From now on character assassination will result in warnings and/or suspensions.
Both got second one on the 20th, about 4 days ago. Even putting pressure on the area ALL discomfort is gone. (surprising
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Both Pfizer
*I HATE NEEDLES, don't tell anyone
Both Pfizer
*I HATE NEEDLES, don't tell anyone
Sinovac is less effective against light and mild symptons, but it's nearly as effective as the others on preventing lethal forms of the disease.
People who are young and fully healthy really should be taking the stronger vaccines. But I think Sinovac is a very good option for people like me who have lots of allergies and autoimmune issues. I'm scared to death of taking any other vaccine because of this.
For sure any vaccine is better than no vaccine at all. At this point it is far far better to get what's available to you, than to hold out for something else.
Oh fgs......people die from paracetamol every day, people die from smoking vapes, people die....that's just a guarantee in life
I've had both AZs.....first one, evil headache, puking, shitting for way longer than I should have and the second shot only caused discomfort in my arm, I couldn't lift it up properly.
Tbh if all the governments had shut down their borders as soon as they knew it was about, it would have saved all this grief, all these dead, and sick people. However, not many countries around the world did anything sensible to stop the spread....but just allowed it to continue. The first covid testing kits gave false positives a lot.
I've had both AZs.....first one, evil headache, puking, shitting for way longer than I should have and the second shot only caused discomfort in my arm, I couldn't lift it up properly.
Tbh if all the governments had shut down their borders as soon as they knew it was about, it would have saved all this grief, all these dead, and sick people. However, not many countries around the world did anything sensible to stop the spread....but just allowed it to continue. The first covid testing kits gave false positives a lot.
Got my first shot of Sinovac yesterday. No side effects at all so far, just soreness for the first couple of hours that can happen with any type of injection shot.
Where I live they don't have Pfizer or Moderna. The bulk of vaccinations is AstraZeneca and Johnson, with smaller shipments of Sinovac. I could have been vaccinated earlier if I went with Astra or Johnson but since I have chronic low platelet counts (thrombocitopenia - having been hospitalized two times in the last 10 years because of it), I couldn't afford the risk since both have been associated with blood issues.
Where I live they don't have Pfizer or Moderna. The bulk of vaccinations is AstraZeneca and Johnson, with smaller shipments of Sinovac. I could have been vaccinated earlier if I went with Astra or Johnson but since I have chronic low platelet counts (thrombocitopenia - having been hospitalized two times in the last 10 years because of it), I couldn't afford the risk since both have been associated with blood issues.
Not since the days of big tobacco (4 out of 5 Doctors prefer Camels) has medicine sold out so quickly.
With all the misinformation/disinformation out there, how can anyone honestly believe anything the corrupt media (social or traditional) puts in front of them.
Because, once something becomes politicized - there is no truth, just an agenda.
MOO, YMMV
With all the misinformation/disinformation out there, how can anyone honestly believe anything the corrupt media (social or traditional) puts in front of them.
Because, once something becomes politicized - there is no truth, just an agenda.
MOO, YMMV
Soon, the Delta variant will be everywhere. I would strongly encourage anyone not vaccinated to do so with all due haste. Don't wait until you're clinging to life, hooked up to a ventilator alone in a hospital to realize that the boogey men were all in your head.
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